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Question by Avadhoot(Andy) C: Buying an "almost new" but used car instead of a New one? I have been told that it is much wiser to buy a used car - a few months old with about 2000-3000 miles on it - than buying a new car since it depreciates as soon as it leaves the showroom. Is that true? I am planning to buy a Toyota corolla, what kind of depreciation should i expect and how much less than MSRP do you think should I pay ? (A % range is also ok). Would buying a "toyota Certified" used car help? Are there any other aspects I must look into in the buying process? Best answer for Buying an "almost new" but used car instead of a New one?:

Answer by Ness
I'm not really for sure. But if you don't buy it from a used car dealer ship, make sure you run a back ground check on the car that you're going to buy. Sometimes it's better, other times it isn't because you don't know if there's something wrong with that car. It's a chance that you have to take! Good luck with your vehicle purchase!

Answer by luisa_mapacha
I just test drove a 2007 Corolla last weekend. The guy told me to expect 60% resale value after 3 years. That didn't strike me as very good. The base model is $ 13k but you won't find one on a lot for less than $ 18k. For price haggling tips, go to www.edmunds.com. They have something called a smart price, which shows you what the dealer pays, etc. and gives you a number to shoot for when dealing with a car place. That being said, I agree that it's better to buy an almost-new car that's still under warranty. It's what I'm looking for myself.

Answer by epistemologyfan
When people buy a new car, they are not buying a new machine. They are buying piece of mind. They are celebrating a stage in their lives when they could afford a new car. They do not look at the price, because either they can easily afford it, or price is not the most important consideration. When it comes to sell that new car two years later, the owner rarely find somebody willing to pay a high price. Two-year-old cars may sell for a third of the original value. For most other people, price is a consideration in a car. They are not buying reliability or status as the first buyer. Most likely, they can fix minor problems. Therefore, they do not mind imperfections. You seek a car a few months old, hoping to get a good price. Such idea is not impossible, but it will mean hard work. I do not think you can get such car from a dealer, not cheaply. I am sure a dealer would use his experience to get the most profit from the car. You would have to get it from an original owner, and his story has to be very peculiar. It should be a matter of your effort and a lot of luck. I heard certified cars exist because of the enormous depreciation used cars get. A segment of the new car market is leased cars. Such leased new cars are used by company executives (who treat them reasonably well), and maintained by the company. After two years of use, the car is sold as used to avoid mechanic bills. The car is thoroughly checked, and then put the certified tag. The car will be in better condition than a two-year-old car used by ordinary people. Whether it is a good buy depends on the price. Before you pay for the car, have a mechanic check it thoroughly. Ideally, he will tell you if the car has mayor problems, whether you need to fix anything after you buy, and whether you are getting a good price.

Answer by Sammwise
Your looking into a real good car. it is defently smarter to buy a preowned vehicle, i have seen cars with low mileage. dont look at the MSRP, that price will always be higher, the price that the dealership will be lower. this makes the customer feel that they are getting a deal, but in fact they are getting the right price. at the average, once you drive a new vehicle off the lot it loses 3 to 6 thousand dollars. some more info about toyota, they are one of the few Makes that make their vehicles in the U.S.A. ford chevy and dodge (american companies) make their vehicles in other countries. toyota (japaness) is made by americans. thats why these vehicles are slightly more expensive then ford chevy and Chrysler.

Answer by chaseunchase
Yes. It's a good idea, but make sure you look at Edmonds.com and make sure you are paying a fair price. Also, visit your states Attorney General Website. You can learn about consumer friendly laws ans such. Also, make sure that when you are negotiating with the price that you say the price includes everything. Make sure the car is Toyota Certified and not just dealer certified.

Answer by Paul
As far as Toyota's go, you'll pay close to the same price for a low miles used as you'll pay for a NEW car, so why chance it? With a new one, you break it in the right way. Gently. Did the guy who had the used one do that? Who knows. For a little more money, you will have a lot of peace of mind. Another thing. The only reason someone would trade in a car with 2K miles on it would be they didn't like it for some reason.......it may be a lemon.

Answer by nevergonnaletyoudown
Buying used is generally a better idea than buying new, and I understand the idea of looking for something that's barely been used as a way of taking advantage of the "instant depreciation" a new car experiences when purchased, but in reality I think it'll be hard to put into practice because: 1) Not many people are looking to sell their car after only 2-3k miles, so the supply is very limited. 2) Those that do are probably doing it because they just want something different and prefer to trade it in and get a new one with a dealer and take the loss (since dumping a car this quickly is a bad financial move anyway, obviously the person isn't pinching pennies). Or on the opposite end of the spectrum... 3) Person cannot afford their car payments and need to dump it, but chances are someone in this position is upside down and can't sell it privately anyway, and will rely on trading down with a dealer. Also... 4) People have a hard time believing their almost new car is worth anything less than what they paid for it and will price it accordingly, whereas a savvy new car buyer can save hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars at a dealer by using their negotiating skills. Haggling with a stubborn private seller may not be worth the trouble.

Answer by stingray41042
There are a few things to consider. Interest rates are normally higher on a used vehicle. If it only has 2m-3m miles on it, is the car a demo or a used car? If it is a demo, it has not been titled and is still considered a new car. The manufactures warranty will still apply so that is not an issue. If it is a used vehicle, why has it been turned back to the dealer?(Repo, corp. lease, auction, rental car, etc). You don't know how the previous owner maintained the vehicle especially if it is a repo. It is true that a new vehicle will depreciate as soon as you drive it off the lot (up to 20%), but if you plan on keeping the car for a few years that won't matter. Some states let you contact the previous owner to ask about the vehicle and the dealer must supply you with contact info if requested. I have bought both new and slightly used cars and prefer to buy new. However I usually keep the car for 4+ yrs. If I know I am only going to use the car for 2-3 years I would buy used especially if the miles are that low. Hope this helps in your decision making process

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PHOENIX (AP) â€" Friendly fire likely was to blame in a shooting near the Arizona-Mexico line that killed one federal agent and wounded another, the FBI said, noting the investigation was still ongoing in the case that reignited the political debate over border security.

"There are strong preliminary indications that the death of United States Border Patrol Agent Nicholas J. Ivie and the injury to a second agent was the result of an accidental shooting incident involving only the agents," FBI Special Agent in Charge James L. Turgal Jr. said in a statement Friday.

Turgal didn't elaborate on its conclusions but said the FBI is using "all necessary investigative, forensic and analytical resources as it investigates the Tuesday shooting about five miles north of the border near Bisbee.

Ivie was killed after he and two other agents responded to an alarm triggered by a sensor aimed at detecting smugglers and others entering the U.S. illegally. Another agent was wounded but was released from the hospital after surgery. The third agent was uninjured.

Federal investigators used ballistic testing to determine the shootings likely resulted from friendly fire, according to the Cochise County Sheriff's Office, which is assisting the FBI in the probe.

Jeffrey D. Self, commander of Customs and Border Protection's Joint Field Command-Arizona, said that despite the initial findings that the shootings appeared accidental, Ivie still "gave the ultimate sacrifice and died serving his country."

"The fact is the work of the Border Patrol is dangerous," Self said Friday at a news conference in Tucson.

While federal authorities declined to offer details of the shooting, George McCubbin, president of the National Border Patrol Council, said all three agents fired their weapons.

McCubbin told The Arizona Republic that the agents had split up as they investigated the sensor alarm.

"Coming in from different angles, that is more than likely how it ended up happening," he said.

A Mexican law enforcement official said Thursday that federal police had arrested two men who may have been connected to the shootings. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information, said it was unclear if there was strong evidence linking the men to the case.

Mexican authorities didn't respond to telephone messages Friday.

Ivie's funeral is set for Monday in Sierra Vista.

The Border Patrol couldn't immediately comment on the frequency of friendly fire shootings involving its agents. However, such incidents appeared to be extremely rare, if they've ever occurred at all.

"I know of absolutely none in the past, and my past goes back to 1968," Kent Lundgren, chairman of the National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers said, citing the year he joined the agency. "I'm not saying it never happened. I'm just saying I've never heard of it."

Also Friday, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano traveled to Arizona to express her condolences to Ivie's family and meet with authorities.

Ivie's death marked the first fatal shooting of an agent since a 2010 firefight with Mexican bandits that killed U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and spawned congressional probes of a botched government gun-smuggling investigation.

The "Fast and Furious" operation allowed people suspected of illegally buying guns for others to walk away from gun shops with weapons, rather than be arrested. Authorities intended to track the guns into Mexico.

Two rifles found at the scene of Terry's shooting were bought by a member of the gun-smuggling ring being investigated. Critics of the operation say any shooting along the border now will raise the specter that those illegal weapons are still being used.

Twenty-six Border Patrol agents have died in the line of duty since 2002.

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Associated Press writers Pete Yost in Washington, Susan Montoya Bryan in Albuquerque, N.M., and Olga R. Rodriguez in Mexico City contributed to this report.

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